1 00:00:04,470 --> 00:00:10,749 [Music] 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:13,039 let's start with the state of the trans 3 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:14,610 community because I the observation 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:17,369 coming into this that wow there's been 5 00:00:22,790 --> 00:00:20,010 this incredible acceptance that has 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:22,800 happened over the past few years it came 7 00:00:29,450 --> 00:00:25,890 from one from 0 to 60 as they say in a 8 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:29,460 very short period of time of recognition 9 00:00:34,940 --> 00:00:31,500 acceptance coming out of the closet and 10 00:00:37,459 --> 00:00:34,950 so on but then when we're reading all 11 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:37,469 the comments to the Sofia Hutchins 12 00:00:44,869 --> 00:00:41,399 interview that happened on TMZ and 99 13 00:00:47,150 --> 00:00:44,879 percent of them were haters and and very 14 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:47,160 just negative towards trans in general 15 00:00:50,810 --> 00:00:49,020 and negative towards hers on it really 16 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:50,820 dawned to me that hmm maybe things 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:52,980 haven't moved as far as I thought they 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:56,850 had moved yeah I think you know 19 00:00:59,990 --> 00:00:59,010 especially when it comes to you I think 20 00:01:01,369 --> 00:01:00,000 it might be a little different when it 21 00:01:03,619 --> 00:01:01,379 comes to you Caitlyn and Caitlyn's story 22 00:01:05,329 --> 00:01:03,629 I personally have known as Caitlyn gets 23 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:05,339 like an inordinate amount of hate 24 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:07,590 online anything attached to Caitlyn is 25 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:09,720 gonna get a lot of hate people feel very 26 00:01:13,580 --> 00:01:12,210 invested in the whole Kardashian story I 27 00:01:15,859 --> 00:01:13,590 think and they all have strong opinions 28 00:01:17,380 --> 00:01:15,869 about that and then in general a lot of 29 00:01:19,820 --> 00:01:17,390 people do you have a really hard time 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:19,830 accepting that someone can be trans 31 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:21,930 Caitlyn and also Republicans like 32 00:01:26,149 --> 00:01:24,330 Caitlyn and I think just it's the 33 00:01:29,899 --> 00:01:26,159 perfect storm of hate because the 34 00:01:31,249 --> 00:01:29,909 reality is for her and for myself we 35 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:31,259 meet at this intersection of like 36 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:34,710 right-wing commentary and being trans so 37 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:36,810 on the trans side everyone on the left 38 00:01:41,359 --> 00:01:39,360 who may you know accept you for being 39 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:41,369 trans hates you because you have your 40 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:42,930 politics right and then people on the 41 00:01:45,980 --> 00:01:44,610 right side a lot of times you have 42 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:45,990 negative things about trans so it's like 43 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:47,250 both sides you're caught in the middle 44 00:01:54,289 --> 00:01:51,780 for sure yeah well I'm sure the Caitlyn 45 00:01:56,899 --> 00:01:54,299 element is part of it but there are so 46 00:01:58,940 --> 00:01:56,909 that does seem to be a general kind of 47 00:02:00,709 --> 00:01:58,950 just taste for transgender I got to say 48 00:02:02,420 --> 00:02:00,719 you know as far as our show goes you 49 00:02:05,170 --> 00:02:02,430 know in just talking with friends of 50 00:02:07,370 --> 00:02:05,180 mine and so on that I thought would 51 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:07,380 enjoy this subject matter there's a lot 52 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:09,300 of people that just turned off by it 53 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:10,950 just don't want to hear about 54 00:02:15,730 --> 00:02:12,890 transgender at all 55 00:02:17,500 --> 00:02:15,740 yeah I think I think it's twofold I 56 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:17,510 think there's people who like really 57 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:18,770 don't want to hear about it really hate 58 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:19,810 it and then there's also this 59 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:22,310 fascination with it as well and I think 60 00:02:26,950 --> 00:02:25,040 I'd like that attributes to my success 61 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:26,960 as well like I feel like I fall in the 62 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:30,290 fascination camp yeah yeah yeah um and I 63 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:33,230 think that um you know some people ask 64 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:35,750 me like well how big a part of your 65 00:02:39,310 --> 00:02:37,610 brand or your success is being trans and 66 00:02:41,260 --> 00:02:39,320 I used to be like none it's just me it's 67 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:41,270 it's all me but I'm like no people's 68 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:42,590 fascination with it does give a window 69 00:02:49,090 --> 00:02:46,490 into it so I think it's twofold 70 00:02:51,610 --> 00:02:49,100 I would imagine perhaps you get fewer 71 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:51,620 haters because you are so out front and 72 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:53,360 open and casual about it and don't seem 73 00:02:59,260 --> 00:02:56,530 to be uptight about it yeah yeah 74 00:03:01,510 --> 00:02:59,270 honestly there is a large person people 75 00:03:04,900 --> 00:03:01,520 who hate me but what but what side are 76 00:03:07,540 --> 00:03:04,910 they on though um both sides honestly it 77 00:03:09,699 --> 00:03:07,550 could be you know a right winger who 78 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:09,709 hates trans people or it can be a left 79 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:11,450 winger who hates right wing people 80 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:13,940 because I kind of fall into both but but 81 00:03:17,140 --> 00:03:15,680 I do get a lot of love to the reception 82 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:17,150 to my videos usually your overwhelming 83 00:03:24,070 --> 00:03:20,959 positive so you were quoted at one point 84 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:24,080 as calling transgenderism 85 00:03:29,380 --> 00:03:26,750 a mental disorder and then if I'm 86 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:29,390 reading this rational wiki correctly and 87 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:31,370 then you somehow corrected that so let's 88 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:33,200 get into that subject what did you say 89 00:03:35,620 --> 00:03:34,910 what did you mean and and what are your 90 00:03:38,289 --> 00:03:35,630 thoughts about that 91 00:03:42,310 --> 00:03:38,299 well rational wikis I hate website but I 92 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:42,320 did I did say that it's because well 93 00:03:45,220 --> 00:03:43,730 it's recently been taken out like as a 94 00:03:48,970 --> 00:03:45,230 very recently like a few months ago was 95 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:48,980 taken out of the dsm-5 as generous fora 96 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:51,500 as a mental disorder and to me I don't 97 00:03:54,789 --> 00:03:53,570 think that there is an inherent negative 98 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:54,799 connotation with the world mental 99 00:03:58,300 --> 00:03:57,170 disorder I think most people have some 100 00:04:00,970 --> 00:03:58,310 form mental disorder whether it be 101 00:04:04,780 --> 00:04:00,980 anxiety stress depression whatever have 102 00:04:06,250 --> 00:04:04,790 you and for me I feel like just 103 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:06,260 acknowledging that there is a health 104 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:08,630 aspects to being trans there is a you 105 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:10,760 know mental issue regarding being trans 106 00:04:14,110 --> 00:04:12,650 I think it helps diagnose it I think it 107 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:14,120 helps treat it I think it helps people 108 00:04:17,710 --> 00:04:15,920 understand it as well because if it's 109 00:04:18,699 --> 00:04:17,720 not something to do with your neurology 110 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:18,709 and the way that one in which you're 111 00:04:24,940 --> 00:04:21,620 born then how do you quantify it you 112 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:24,950 know if you can't point you while there 113 00:04:27,420 --> 00:04:25,750 was something 114 00:04:29,070 --> 00:04:27,430 the wiring of the brain you know and 115 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:29,080 people feel so strongly about the word 116 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:31,660 wrong or disorder but words only have 117 00:04:35,820 --> 00:04:32,860 negative connotations if you attached 118 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:35,830 them to that right I think it helps 119 00:04:40,020 --> 00:04:37,330 people understand honestly cuz it's not 120 00:04:42,930 --> 00:04:40,030 that then what is it yeah well people 121 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:42,940 should have the truth that's the reason 122 00:04:48,390 --> 00:04:46,090 our show is named that and I am all for 123 00:04:50,940 --> 00:04:48,400 reducing stigmas associated with 124 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:50,950 transgenderism should be love acceptance 125 00:04:55,110 --> 00:04:52,840 non discrimination and so on but when 126 00:04:56,820 --> 00:04:55,120 you start messing with the science in 127 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:56,830 order to fit an agenda that's where I 128 00:05:01,410 --> 00:04:58,930 draw a line and I believe that that's 129 00:05:03,690 --> 00:05:01,420 what we've discovered in our deep dive 130 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:03,700 thus far is that these Medical 131 00:05:08,670 --> 00:05:05,770 Association's have been hijacked by 132 00:05:10,770 --> 00:05:08,680 activists LGBT activists and they are 133 00:05:12,630 --> 00:05:10,780 driving the scientific conclusions that 134 00:05:15,170 --> 00:05:12,640 are coming out of there and ultimately 135 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:15,180 state legislatures are passing laws 136 00:05:20,820 --> 00:05:18,370 citing these Medical Association's when 137 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:20,830 the truth is it was done by a biased 138 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:23,980 task force absolutely I think part of 139 00:05:29,210 --> 00:05:26,710 that is you know people are very much 140 00:05:31,020 --> 00:05:29,220 afraid of hiring people who are 141 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:31,030 problematic towards the trans community 142 00:05:35,790 --> 00:05:32,860 now and so they end up hiring activists 143 00:05:36,930 --> 00:05:35,800 who then you know insert their you know 144 00:05:38,820 --> 00:05:36,940 bias and judgments and their own 145 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:38,830 opinions into the work and then like you 146 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:41,290 said legislations passed based on it so 147 00:05:46,110 --> 00:05:44,410 it is a problem and there shouldn't be 148 00:05:47,909 --> 00:05:46,120 stigma attached to being trans or having 149 00:05:50,190 --> 00:05:47,919 mental disorders in the same way that 150 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:50,200 you know if someone says yeah depression 151 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:51,130 is a mental disorder 152 00:05:54,540 --> 00:05:53,050 I think that's freeing I think that 153 00:05:56,490 --> 00:05:54,550 means okay I can treat it I can seek up 154 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:56,500 for it I can figure it out it's not my 155 00:06:02,100 --> 00:05:58,050 fault 156 00:06:03,870 --> 00:06:02,110 whereas with being trans is it just 157 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:03,880 something like spiritual saying what if 158 00:06:07,110 --> 00:06:04,930 you don't believe in God then it's not 159 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:07,120 born in the wrong body never believed in 160 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:09,460 that I think I've I was born in the 161 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:10,810 right body I was meant to be me but I 162 00:06:14,909 --> 00:06:12,610 think I was just pouring a little 163 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:14,919 different yeah I mean look I think and 164 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:16,120 this is common in the human race I think 165 00:06:19,110 --> 00:06:17,650 there's a lot of insecurity in the 166 00:06:21,150 --> 00:06:19,120 community I think there's a bit of a 167 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:21,160 chip on its shoulder because it feels 168 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:22,780 like it's been marginalized for so long 169 00:06:26,909 --> 00:06:24,729 and it's now finally perhaps coming out 170 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:26,919 of the closet and so you know that chip 171 00:06:31,170 --> 00:06:29,080 on the shoulder needs to be removed yeah 172 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:31,180 I think you strike me as a very secure 173 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:34,000 person and therefore are comfortable 174 00:06:38,490 --> 00:06:36,370 having this conversation and not feeling 175 00:06:39,570 --> 00:06:38,500 like you better believe that I was born 176 00:06:41,550 --> 00:06:39,580 this way and 177 00:06:45,149 --> 00:06:41,560 it's perfectly natural perfectly normal 178 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:45,159 or you know I'm gonna be upset yeah I 179 00:06:49,709 --> 00:06:47,530 mean it's not normal if it was normal 180 00:06:51,719 --> 00:06:49,719 then it wouldn't be like 0.01 percent of 181 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:51,729 the population but you know that's not 182 00:06:55,980 --> 00:06:53,860 to say that being abnormal is something 183 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:55,990 that people should you know hate or 184 00:07:00,510 --> 00:06:58,210 dislike or be afraid of because before 185 00:07:04,409 --> 00:07:00,520 just people but yeah we should all just 186 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:04,419 be honest about it so high level for me 187 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:07,030 in this show I've been trying to figure 188 00:07:13,589 --> 00:07:11,050 out what's the cause of dysphoria and 189 00:07:15,899 --> 00:07:13,599 transgenderism and then also what is the 190 00:07:17,909 --> 00:07:15,909 proper treatment for it so let's talk 191 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:17,919 about those first of all are you curious 192 00:07:20,909 --> 00:07:19,210 is this something that you want to know 193 00:07:24,689 --> 00:07:20,919 the answer to what is the cause of this 194 00:07:26,219 --> 00:07:24,699 thing oh of course um you know my 195 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:26,229 earliest memories in life are that of 196 00:07:31,170 --> 00:07:27,490 having dysphoria yeah I remember being 197 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:31,180 in kindergarten and there was little 198 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:32,770 areas to put your backpacks in 199 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:34,210 kindergarten one was blue one was pink 200 00:07:37,589 --> 00:07:36,250 obviously boys had to put their girls 201 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:37,599 how to put it there 202 00:07:41,399 --> 00:07:40,090 and I remember feeling away about being 203 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:41,409 expected to put it in the blue I was 204 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:42,580 like oh no I want to put it in the pink 205 00:07:46,019 --> 00:07:43,960 this isn't right and then I began 206 00:07:47,249 --> 00:07:46,029 questioning myself for so long and it 207 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:47,259 wasn't probably got a little older that 208 00:07:50,309 --> 00:07:49,210 I was like okay this is what I am and it 209 00:07:54,089 --> 00:07:50,319 was through doing research and through 210 00:07:55,589 --> 00:07:54,099 seeing other people that are visible so 211 00:08:00,059 --> 00:07:55,599 you kept it pretty much entirely to 212 00:08:02,010 --> 00:08:00,069 yourself um everyone kind of knew you 213 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:02,020 know I was a very very feminine person 214 00:08:04,019 --> 00:08:02,500 as a kid 215 00:08:07,649 --> 00:08:04,029 everyone knew there was something 216 00:08:11,070 --> 00:08:07,659 different about me and and and what was 217 00:08:13,409 --> 00:08:11,080 the parent situation um my parents had a 218 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:13,419 really hard time accepting it not in a 219 00:08:16,019 --> 00:08:14,650 way to where they would disown me or 220 00:08:18,649 --> 00:08:16,029 takes away for anything like that but 221 00:08:20,700 --> 00:08:18,659 they they struggled with it I remember 222 00:08:23,010 --> 00:08:20,710 when I was like 13 or 14 I started 223 00:08:24,779 --> 00:08:23,020 experimenting with makeup and I remember 224 00:08:26,670 --> 00:08:24,789 my dad found my makeup box and threw it 225 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:26,680 in the trash which at the time broke my 226 00:08:30,869 --> 00:08:29,560 heart which is fine though because now 227 00:08:34,199 --> 00:08:30,879 that I'm a youtuber companies then we 228 00:08:37,079 --> 00:08:34,209 free makeup retribution is very that 229 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:37,089 very that and my mom had an issue with 230 00:08:43,290 --> 00:08:38,380 it as well but she was a little more 231 00:08:45,329 --> 00:08:43,300 open yeah and so parents were together 232 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:45,339 and are they still together today well 233 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:48,010 my dad passed when I was 19 but they 234 00:08:53,109 --> 00:08:50,240 were married until he passed yeah 235 00:08:55,079 --> 00:08:53,119 so and ultimately you you end up 236 00:08:58,989 --> 00:08:55,089 transitioning at the age of about 20 237 00:09:01,059 --> 00:08:58,999 yeah so looking back on it based on your 238 00:09:06,449 --> 00:09:01,069 experience what is it telling you what 239 00:09:11,169 --> 00:09:09,280 it must I mean there is scientific 240 00:09:13,359 --> 00:09:11,179 research that shows that formations in 241 00:09:15,999 --> 00:09:13,369 the brain align with you know the 242 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:16,009 preferred gender for trans people and so 243 00:09:19,929 --> 00:09:18,110 I imagine it's just it's just the wiring 244 00:09:21,910 --> 00:09:19,939 of the brain when you're born I think 245 00:09:24,549 --> 00:09:21,920 they're also theories about like the 246 00:09:28,090 --> 00:09:24,559 woman's body estrogen izing the fetus 247 00:09:30,549 --> 00:09:28,100 who knows but yeah I guess I spend less 248 00:09:32,249 --> 00:09:30,559 time thinking about why it happened as 249 00:09:34,119 --> 00:09:32,259 opposed to just living my life I guess 250 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:34,129 yeah I mean a number of trans people 251 00:09:40,929 --> 00:09:36,050 I've spoken to are just not curious 252 00:09:43,629 --> 00:09:40,939 about it at all for sure I just I just 253 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:43,639 don't know so one that we've been 254 00:09:47,499 --> 00:09:45,410 following is this possibility of early 255 00:09:49,389 --> 00:09:47,509 childhood trauma is that one that you've 256 00:09:50,439 --> 00:09:49,399 read about and thought much about I have 257 00:09:52,299 --> 00:09:50,449 read about that I know that there are 258 00:09:53,739 --> 00:09:52,309 cases of people and these are typically 259 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:53,749 the people who transition then G 260 00:09:59,230 --> 00:09:55,730 transition what I've kind of come to 261 00:10:02,049 --> 00:09:59,240 know from my research and there are 262 00:10:03,999 --> 00:10:02,059 really really horrible cases of abusive 263 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:04,009 parents who would dress their kids up as 264 00:10:07,299 --> 00:10:05,360 the opposite gender when they were 265 00:10:09,669 --> 00:10:07,309 younger and that leads to a lifetime was 266 00:10:11,949 --> 00:10:09,679 up dysphoria despite not actually being 267 00:10:13,389 --> 00:10:11,959 trans and those people sometimes will 268 00:10:15,910 --> 00:10:13,399 dabble in transitioning and made me go 269 00:10:17,139 --> 00:10:15,920 back and that's really terrible don't 270 00:10:19,509 --> 00:10:17,149 think that's the case for me I mean 271 00:10:23,949 --> 00:10:19,519 obviously sometimes we can hide trauma 272 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:23,959 mm-hmm as a child but did you seek 273 00:10:30,939 --> 00:10:27,350 therapy before transitioning yeah I did 274 00:10:32,530 --> 00:10:30,949 um not for a long time because I'm very 275 00:10:33,699 --> 00:10:32,540 much one of those people who want to 276 00:10:34,179 --> 00:10:33,709 know something and just know and I just 277 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:34,189 go for it 278 00:10:38,019 --> 00:10:36,769 and so I went to a few therapy sessions 279 00:10:39,189 --> 00:10:38,029 and they were kind of asking me 280 00:10:41,410 --> 00:10:39,199 questions that I'd already figured out 281 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:41,420 for myself years ago I was like okay I'm 282 00:10:45,609 --> 00:10:42,889 just I'm just gonna go figure this out 283 00:10:47,309 --> 00:10:45,619 and so I want you an endocrinologist you 284 00:10:50,049 --> 00:10:47,319 started doing hormone therapy and then I 285 00:10:53,259 --> 00:10:50,059 started YouTube which helped me afford 286 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:53,269 surgeries and yeah so you're on YouTube 287 00:10:58,900 --> 00:10:55,910 following the whole transition yeah 288 00:11:00,939 --> 00:10:58,910 actually did a video documenting my 289 00:11:03,340 --> 00:11:00,949 surgeries which a lot of people found 290 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:03,350 interesting it's pretty it was a pretty 291 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:07,850 pretty graphic video but so gender 292 00:11:11,890 --> 00:11:10,310 dysphoria is whatever it is you could 293 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:11,900 call it a disorder you could call it a 294 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:13,910 condition but it's something that people 295 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:17,020 struggle with a man needs to be treated 296 00:11:21,850 --> 00:11:18,410 Yeah right 297 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:21,860 so then that begs the question okay what 298 00:11:26,950 --> 00:11:24,350 is the proper treatment that's why I say 299 00:11:29,110 --> 00:11:26,960 that I think it would be nice to know 300 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:29,120 what the causes of it so you can know 301 00:11:33,190 --> 00:11:31,610 how to treat it because as I said it 302 00:11:34,750 --> 00:11:33,200 does need to be treated as much as the 303 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:34,760 community likes to say it's normal and 304 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:37,730 natural and so on it's not enjoyable or 305 00:11:42,910 --> 00:11:40,310 fun where at all to live with dysphoria 306 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:42,920 it needs to be treated I will tell you 307 00:11:46,930 --> 00:11:45,080 it is the most miserable experience it 308 00:11:48,190 --> 00:11:46,940 gets worse with age which is why I mean 309 00:11:51,010 --> 00:11:48,200 going back to Caitlyn Lee I can't 310 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:51,020 imagine hiding it until 50 could not 311 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:53,810 imagine it um or whatever she suggested 312 00:11:58,300 --> 00:11:55,370 no I'm not sure that he's exactly but I 313 00:12:00,460 --> 00:11:58,310 know she was older yeah I remember being 314 00:12:02,770 --> 00:12:00,470 19 I had moved to Michigan right before 315 00:12:04,510 --> 00:12:02,780 I transitioned and in Michigan there's a 316 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:04,520 limited resource at hesitate I moved 317 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:05,750 there for an ex-boyfriend which it did 318 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:08,570 not work out for but I was there alone 319 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:11,450 basically no family no friends and I 320 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:13,190 remember realizing this is prior to my 321 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:15,170 transition and I realized like oh my god 322 00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:16,910 I have this thing of been struggling 323 00:12:20,290 --> 00:12:18,740 with I'm miserable I can't get help here 324 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:20,300 I have to leave and I would have just 325 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:23,020 breakdowns I'd be crying it was terrible 326 00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:25,490 thinking that I could never get to the 327 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:28,040 point where I was happy that I have now 328 00:12:32,170 --> 00:12:30,950 which is amazing but yeah it's it's not 329 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:32,180 fun and it doesn't need to be treated 330 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:35,570 and if there was a cure this is one of 331 00:12:39,610 --> 00:12:36,740 the things I say about it that people 332 00:12:40,510 --> 00:12:39,620 sometimes take issue with transition is 333 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:40,520 not for everyone 334 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:43,130 transition and people people hate when I 335 00:12:46,210 --> 00:12:44,210 say that but it's not for everyone I've 336 00:12:48,450 --> 00:12:46,220 seen people try and fail quite frankly 337 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:48,460 I've seen people do it and then go back 338 00:12:53,590 --> 00:12:50,330 there's another big taboo in the 339 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:53,600 community but if there was an 340 00:12:57,790 --> 00:12:55,850 alternative don't know what that would 341 00:12:59,830 --> 00:12:57,800 be I think that that would be ideal I 342 00:13:01,270 --> 00:12:59,840 think that you know it's a free country 343 00:13:03,220 --> 00:13:01,280 people should always be allowed to do it 344 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:03,230 to transition but there should also be 345 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:04,460 an alternative and it sucks that there 346 00:13:09,070 --> 00:13:07,010 isn't yeah I remember I started a 347 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:09,080 question with a woman who was I would 348 00:13:12,820 --> 00:13:11,330 call an activist she was a psychologist 349 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:12,830 and I said well can we start by just 350 00:13:16,450 --> 00:13:15,170 acknowledging that gender dysphoria is 351 00:13:17,290 --> 00:13:16,460 not something that you wish upon your 352 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:17,300 child 353 00:13:22,930 --> 00:13:20,690 and she refused to agree to that oh come 354 00:13:23,710 --> 00:13:22,940 on that's what we're dealing with them 355 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:23,720 see his chance 356 00:13:31,450 --> 00:13:29,090 no not trance but yeah yeah that's how 357 00:13:33,730 --> 00:13:31,460 because she doesn't want to label just 358 00:13:35,170 --> 00:13:33,740 for is anything wrong with it and so on 359 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:35,180 it's like well it used to be gender 360 00:13:39,370 --> 00:13:36,890 identity disorder for a reason 361 00:13:41,230 --> 00:13:39,380 certainly don't enjoy it right yeah well 362 00:13:43,750 --> 00:13:41,240 it only perhaps someone who hasn't dealt 363 00:13:46,270 --> 00:13:43,760 with it well but let me let me ask you 364 00:13:48,910 --> 00:13:46,280 do you wish that you had not been born 365 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:48,920 with gender dysphoria absolutely I mean 366 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:50,090 it's a weird question because I'm kind 367 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:51,890 of wishing that you weren't yourself I'm 368 00:13:56,020 --> 00:13:54,290 very happy with myself but I mean if I 369 00:13:58,270 --> 00:13:56,030 could eliminate the years of suffering 370 00:14:00,160 --> 00:13:58,280 and confusion and and wanting to be 371 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:00,170 something that I wasn't absolutely yeah 372 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:02,510 so again that's why I go back to I hope 373 00:14:06,940 --> 00:14:04,750 we'll find the cause to it I'm a little 374 00:14:09,940 --> 00:14:06,950 skeptical now because I think the 375 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:09,950 science has been hijacked and so you 376 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:13,610 know honest good-faith attempts to find 377 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:15,590 the cause I think are being pushed to 378 00:14:19,540 --> 00:14:18,050 the side but if we did know the cause 379 00:14:21,010 --> 00:14:19,550 that it was something that could be done 380 00:14:22,690 --> 00:14:21,020 about it so let's say it's hormones in 381 00:14:24,070 --> 00:14:22,700 the womb okay well maybe there's 382 00:14:26,020 --> 00:14:24,080 something that can be done that's where 383 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:26,030 we know what's causing that or maybe it 384 00:14:29,290 --> 00:14:27,680 is childhood trauma and therefore we 385 00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:29,300 know that hey you need to be careful 386 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:30,680 about dealing with children this way so 387 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:33,260 that may make fewer people suffer from 388 00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:35,510 gender dysphoria so we agree with on 389 00:14:39,730 --> 00:14:37,790 that if we could reduce the number of 390 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:39,740 people suffering from gender dysphoria 391 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:41,330 that would be a positive thing for the 392 00:14:45,190 --> 00:14:42,740 world yeah I mean let's not forget 393 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:45,200 people literally kill themselves over 394 00:14:51,570 --> 00:14:48,250 this so for someone to say that they 395 00:14:53,830 --> 00:14:51,580 refuse to not wish it on their child 396 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:53,840 children kill themselves over this there 397 00:14:56,650 --> 00:14:55,670 are 12 year old kids committing suicide 398 00:14:58,270 --> 00:14:56,660 because they don't understand what's 399 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:58,280 going on they don't have resources they 400 00:15:02,290 --> 00:14:59,450 don't have that well they say that's 401 00:15:03,550 --> 00:15:02,300 solely because society is not welcoming 402 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:03,560 them right but that's such a 403 00:15:07,930 --> 00:15:05,600 black-and-white view of the world I mean 404 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:07,940 Grant said I was a very feminine as a 405 00:15:13,150 --> 00:15:10,030 kid and I got bullied really severely 406 00:15:15,370 --> 00:15:13,160 but it's twofold two things can be true 407 00:15:16,810 --> 00:15:15,380 at once people especially more in the 408 00:15:18,970 --> 00:15:16,820 past I think today is way more accepting 409 00:15:20,620 --> 00:15:18,980 honestly I know of like young kids gay 410 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:20,630 kids trend kids that have no problem at 411 00:15:27,070 --> 00:15:23,510 school but do you think symmetry at once 412 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:27,080 you know it's hard socially and you have 413 00:15:30,610 --> 00:15:28,250 this mental trauma that you're dealing 414 00:15:32,380 --> 00:15:30,620 with but people want to deny that 415 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:32,390 some reason yeah and I think it goes to 416 00:15:36,820 --> 00:15:34,970 a larger point of I think a lot of 417 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:36,830 people in life in general want to blame 418 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:38,690 their problems and other people and they 419 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:39,740 want to put off their pain and their 420 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:41,810 suffering and put it at the hands of 421 00:15:46,990 --> 00:15:45,770 other people when reality sometimes it's 422 00:15:49,270 --> 00:15:47,000 it's awesome the things that were 423 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:49,280 struggling with ya know it's another 424 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:51,530 huge issue you know suicide in the trans 425 00:15:55,450 --> 00:15:53,930 community is a big issue and it's 426 00:15:57,910 --> 00:15:55,460 another issue where I think science is 427 00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,920 being pushed to the side because the 428 00:16:02,140 --> 00:15:59,360 community would like everybody to 429 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:02,150 believe that the sole reason that that 430 00:16:06,850 --> 00:16:03,530 trans people have these suicidal 431 00:16:09,550 --> 00:16:06,860 thoughts is because of hate from society 432 00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,560 and I want you to give me your answer 433 00:16:13,630 --> 00:16:11,360 but it seems to be that yes there is 434 00:16:16,510 --> 00:16:13,640 that issue and we need to we address 435 00:16:18,340 --> 00:16:16,520 that issue but to be living in a body 436 00:16:20,620 --> 00:16:18,350 and not feel like you're in the right 437 00:16:23,020 --> 00:16:20,630 body or in your right sex that also 438 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:23,030 itself has to be very traumatic in 439 00:16:26,260 --> 00:16:24,770 something that people struggle with in 440 00:16:29,470 --> 00:16:26,270 their head and can lead to suicidal 441 00:16:31,870 --> 00:16:29,480 thoughts absolutely I mean to deny that 442 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:31,880 there's you know any suffering attached 443 00:16:36,820 --> 00:16:34,490 to being trans you know just within 444 00:16:39,010 --> 00:16:36,830 yourself is to not really understand 445 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:39,020 what being trans is I mean that's like I 446 00:16:45,250 --> 00:16:42,410 mean transition is so rigorous it is so 447 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:45,260 painful it is such an intense thing to 448 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:46,970 go through that you would only go 449 00:16:51,430 --> 00:16:49,310 through it if you were suffering who 450 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:51,440 wants to go through surgery I'm now I 451 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:53,690 hate surgeries I freaked out when I 452 00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:56,330 think about the this surgery but yeah 453 00:16:59,230 --> 00:16:57,680 and you're right maybe it's even more 454 00:17:01,870 --> 00:16:59,240 people that aren't in the community that 455 00:17:03,490 --> 00:17:01,880 haven't experienced it that like to hold 456 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:03,500 themselves out as it being so accepting 457 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:04,850 so understanding that you know this is 458 00:17:08,170 --> 00:17:06,620 perfectly normal perfectly natural you 459 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:08,180 know if my child was born this way big 460 00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:09,410 deal but it's like do you want your 461 00:17:13,300 --> 00:17:11,360 child born with cancer with cancer 462 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:13,310 you're gonna have two years of treatment 463 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:15,170 and so on this dysphoria requires years 464 00:17:19,780 --> 00:17:16,610 of treatment and ultimately drugs and 465 00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:19,790 surgery absolutely I mean every 466 00:17:23,890 --> 00:17:21,200 transitions difference people don't get 467 00:17:25,990 --> 00:17:23,900 surgery but but but yeah the general 468 00:17:27,580 --> 00:17:26,000 point is that it's suffering and to deny 469 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:27,590 that it's just not really know what's 470 00:17:31,210 --> 00:17:29,090 going on yeah and I just think the world 471 00:17:33,490 --> 00:17:31,220 is a better place when people speak the 472 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:33,500 truth and are honest right we're all 473 00:17:39,130 --> 00:17:36,290 adults here we can be loving and 474 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:39,140 accepting but also speak the truth and 475 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:40,880 know the truth about it I think you know 476 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:42,290 they don't give the the the public 477 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:43,760 enough credit 478 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:45,530 that people can't be to be that way I 479 00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:46,910 think I think part of the reason why 480 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:49,520 people don't want to talk about sort of 481 00:17:57,100 --> 00:17:53,990 the mental aspect of it is because they 482 00:17:59,230 --> 00:17:57,110 don't want to give any ammunition to 483 00:18:00,040 --> 00:17:59,240 people who do hate trans people and I 484 00:18:02,020 --> 00:18:00,050 get it 485 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:02,030 but at the same time that's where I go 486 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:03,320 in a lot of times on my channel I 487 00:18:07,210 --> 00:18:04,850 correct the excesses of the community 488 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:07,220 which is you know yeah you don't want to 489 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:08,750 get people who hate trans people the 490 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:10,550 right to say oh you have some mantra 491 00:18:13,780 --> 00:18:12,170 sort of your sake of Allah but those 492 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:13,790 people will always exist and in the 493 00:18:18,430 --> 00:18:15,050 meantime you're actually hurting our 494 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:18,440 community by limiting people's knowledge 495 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:20,090 on the subject who want to help who are 496 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:22,510 seeking help and who want to be in LA 497 00:18:27,460 --> 00:18:25,970 yeah I think they think that there's 498 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:27,470 this binary thing between your they're 499 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:30,170 born this way or it's a choice and that 500 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:31,730 we want to make sure it's clear that 501 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:32,900 you're born this way these people aren't 502 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:34,400 choosing it that way we should be 503 00:18:37,420 --> 00:18:35,960 entitled to certain non-discrimination 504 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:37,430 laws and all the things that they're 505 00:18:42,730 --> 00:18:39,610 seeking from a legislative angle and 506 00:18:44,230 --> 00:18:42,740 people should not hate on them because 507 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:44,240 it's not a choice they're born this way 508 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:47,330 well I say is clearly it's not a choice 509 00:18:51,340 --> 00:18:50,330 people only idiots out there that I 510 00:18:53,020 --> 00:18:51,350 don't think we need to be overly 511 00:18:55,630 --> 00:18:53,030 concerned about I think that somebody 512 00:18:57,070 --> 00:18:55,640 makes this decision all the sudden to 513 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:57,080 have this surgery and take these drugs 514 00:19:00,220 --> 00:18:58,730 so clearly it's not a choice and I only 515 00:19:01,900 --> 00:19:00,230 we could be concerned about people who 516 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:01,910 think that it is a choice but I don't 517 00:19:06,220 --> 00:19:03,520 think that that means that therefore 518 00:19:08,700 --> 00:19:06,230 it's born this way because there's 519 00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:08,710 something in between and it could be 520 00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:11,630 this childhood trauma thing it could be 521 00:19:16,090 --> 00:19:14,540 a hormonal thing who knows what it could 522 00:19:18,010 --> 00:19:16,100 be but I don't I don't think it 523 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:18,020 necessarily has to be either born this 524 00:19:21,730 --> 00:19:20,540 way or a choice I think it I think there 525 00:19:23,710 --> 00:19:21,740 could be elements of it that are 526 00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:23,720 certainly biological but there could be 527 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:26,300 also nurture elements of it too but they 528 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:28,370 would be nurture elements that happened 529 00:19:35,740 --> 00:19:32,690 in childhood that are now difficult if 530 00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:35,750 not impossible to reverse oh absolutely 531 00:19:39,970 --> 00:19:38,420 so I mean I think there is a gray area 532 00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:39,980 and go again it goes back to people 533 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:41,270 thinking the world is black and white 534 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:42,710 and that one has to be true and the 535 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:45,050 other can't be true whereas it could be 536 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:47,210 both and if I'm being honest like maybe 537 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:48,770 there is something in my childhood that 538 00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:51,530 caused me to maybe not be trans but 539 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:52,940 maybe push me over the edge to the point 540 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:53,930 where it's bad enough that I want to 541 00:19:57,590 --> 00:19:55,400 transition because there's also varying 542 00:19:59,419 --> 00:19:57,600 levels of dysphoria that's 543 00:20:02,090 --> 00:19:59,429 I think I think people don't understand 544 00:20:03,890 --> 00:20:02,100 I've met people who I get messages every 545 00:20:05,779 --> 00:20:03,900 day from people saying like you know I'm 546 00:20:06,409 --> 00:20:05,789 feeling kind of historic but not that 547 00:20:07,370 --> 00:20:06,419 bad 548 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:07,380 I don't know if I should transition 549 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:10,710 because some people you know exist in 550 00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:12,210 their personality-wise somewhere in 551 00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:13,919 between perfectly masculine perfectly 552 00:20:17,779 --> 00:20:15,660 feminine and sometimes they mistake that 553 00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:17,789 for wanting to be trans there's varying 554 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:19,860 levels to it and I think it's when you 555 00:20:25,779 --> 00:20:22,620 actually feel the need to transition is 556 00:20:29,539 --> 00:20:25,789 when that's when you're trans mm-hmm 557 00:20:31,549 --> 00:20:29,549 what about sexual orientation and 558 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:31,559 transgenderism I'm really curious your 559 00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:34,049 take on that because I think the science 560 00:20:39,950 --> 00:20:38,100 is not clear but um there are therapists 561 00:20:43,549 --> 00:20:39,960 psychologists etc that say the gender 562 00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:43,559 dysphoria as a in childhood leads off 563 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:46,049 into homosexuality in fact the 564 00:20:50,330 --> 00:20:48,600 percentage supposedly of children who 565 00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,340 suffer from gender dysphoria that end up 566 00:20:54,919 --> 00:20:53,039 being transgender very low apparently 567 00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:54,929 it's like 5 or 10% that wind up as 568 00:21:00,919 --> 00:20:57,900 adults being transgender but a very high 569 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:00,929 percentage of them do apparently end up 570 00:21:07,250 --> 00:21:03,960 being gay so do you see transgenderism 571 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,260 kind of on a spectrum that that the same 572 00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,360 spectrum is sexual orientation that's 573 00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,799 not a question I think all that's all 574 00:21:14,029 --> 00:21:12,780 the time but it's one of those things 575 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:14,039 that for some reason doesn't translate 576 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,330 well on a video so I never done a video 577 00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:18,720 on it but absolutely I have spoken with 578 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:22,340 so many many friends throughout life who 579 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:24,210 they may not describe it as gender 580 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,070 dysphoria but growing up they were very 581 00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:27,600 effeminate growing up that they they 582 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:28,980 didn't feel like they fit in with the 583 00:21:32,899 --> 00:21:30,780 boys which is what I experienced as well 584 00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:32,909 I think that they just experienced it on 585 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:36,000 a little bit of a lesser level and so 586 00:21:39,890 --> 00:21:37,380 they're comfortable just living their 587 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:39,900 life as themselves and and sleeping with 588 00:21:45,409 --> 00:21:43,049 men for me mine was just on a different 589 00:21:48,350 --> 00:21:45,419 end of the spectrum and for mine was 590 00:21:50,539 --> 00:21:48,360 like no you know I need to like change 591 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:50,549 who I am unless another thing people say 592 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:52,620 it's like very very different and it is 593 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:54,750 different in the sense that like my life 594 00:22:00,080 --> 00:21:57,090 path is very different from a gay man's 595 00:22:02,419 --> 00:22:00,090 life's path but there's a lot of 596 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:02,429 similarities when you're kid mm-hmm so 597 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:04,110 your your sexual orientation is you're 598 00:22:10,610 --> 00:22:06,870 attracted to men so for you that kind of 599 00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,620 spectrum thing would make sense that you 600 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:11,520 know 601 00:22:14,590 --> 00:22:13,170 the teenager I called myself gay because 602 00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:14,600 I don't know what else to call myself 603 00:22:21,170 --> 00:22:18,720 and you know by anecdotal experience 604 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:21,180 with gay men is that they tend to be 605 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:25,050 more effeminate in general yeah okay 606 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:27,450 thank you it's funny because Sabrina 607 00:22:32,420 --> 00:22:30,330 disagreed with me on that but well she 608 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:32,430 says well III think she may have been 609 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:33,330 referring to a lot of gay men don't 610 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:35,370 really work out a lot and get buff and 611 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:36,690 really take care of their body but a lot 612 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:38,250 of them are still swinging their little 613 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:40,170 hips being buff as how they're still you 614 00:22:50,020 --> 00:22:44,690 know still town great so the boy who is 615 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:50,030 acting effeminate may end up being gay 616 00:22:57,740 --> 00:22:53,570 one of the concerns I would have is that 617 00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:57,750 this this movement this transgender 618 00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,480 movement is seems to be teaching parents 619 00:23:05,690 --> 00:23:03,120 that when you're trying when your boy is 620 00:23:07,490 --> 00:23:05,700 showing these effeminate characteristics 621 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:07,500 wanting to play but having all female 622 00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:09,570 friends let's say playing with girl 623 00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:11,820 things and this and that they're telling 624 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,040 parents you got a trance child they're 625 00:23:18,650 --> 00:23:16,320 better get to work better better better 626 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:18,660 figure out a new name for your kid and 627 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:21,630 start planning the puberty blockers and 628 00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:23,130 I'm like I don't think that that's 629 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:23,670 correct 630 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:26,010 I don't either and that's one of the 631 00:23:29,710 --> 00:23:27,450 things I've talked about on my channel I 632 00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:29,720 guess one of my more controversial 633 00:23:37,730 --> 00:23:34,320 videos I made a couple traversal because 634 00:23:42,410 --> 00:23:37,740 they're they're so truthful I would say 635 00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:42,420 so but yeah you know I think again it 636 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,720 goes back to transition is hard it is 637 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:47,760 painful it is rigorous so for me the 638 00:23:51,530 --> 00:23:49,110 thought of someone going through that 639 00:23:53,330 --> 00:23:51,540 when they're 12 13 14 is just a 640 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:53,340 nightmare I could not have done it I and 641 00:23:55,820 --> 00:23:54,450 that's coming someone who's trans I 642 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:55,830 couldn't not have transitioned not at 643 00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:58,290 that age would not have works I was 644 00:24:03,080 --> 00:23:59,340 already going through so much in my life 645 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:03,090 in general being a teenager but yeah one 646 00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:06,060 of the aspects that's always I've always 647 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:09,270 struggled with is the idea that you know 648 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:11,940 these kids those other trans or not they 649 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:13,830 may be they may not be they're 650 00:24:19,250 --> 00:24:16,410 sterilized at a young age when you do 651 00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:19,260 hormones and puberty walkers you're 652 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:20,460 sterilized by like thirteen or fourteen 653 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:22,950 so you're making you know permanent life 654 00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:24,330 decisions 655 00:24:27,199 --> 00:24:25,679 an age where your brain is still 656 00:24:29,779 --> 00:24:27,209 developing I think that's such a 657 00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:29,789 dangerous precedent to set i think but 658 00:24:33,259 --> 00:24:31,320 again two things can be sure what once 659 00:24:35,570 --> 00:24:33,269 there is such a thing as transgender 660 00:24:39,499 --> 00:24:35,580 children because I struggle with this 661 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:39,509 and I was a kid but I think jumping the 662 00:24:46,190 --> 00:24:42,950 gun and going through puberty blockers 663 00:24:48,289 --> 00:24:46,200 hormones all this I think that's 664 00:24:49,849 --> 00:24:48,299 dangerous having said that I know 665 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:49,859 someone who started transitioning in 666 00:24:55,129 --> 00:24:52,769 eighth and she's 22 or something now and 667 00:24:56,479 --> 00:24:55,139 she's happy she's great 668 00:24:59,599 --> 00:24:56,489 she's going through it and she's fine 669 00:25:01,639 --> 00:24:59,609 but I think that focusing on one case of 670 00:25:03,649 --> 00:25:01,649 things being positive isn't good because 671 00:25:04,879 --> 00:25:03,659 there are also cases of people who get 672 00:25:06,019 --> 00:25:04,889 into it at 13 and then they go back 673 00:25:08,269 --> 00:25:06,029 because they're like oh my god what is 674 00:25:11,089 --> 00:25:08,279 this but I'm even talking short of 675 00:25:14,180 --> 00:25:11,099 puberty blockers I'm talking about in 676 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:14,190 fact in my intro to the show I talked 677 00:25:18,049 --> 00:25:16,169 about a podcast called how to be a girl 678 00:25:20,389 --> 00:25:18,059 I know if you've heard of that podcast 679 00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,399 really well done very interesting 680 00:25:27,949 --> 00:25:23,039 podcast where the child comes to the 681 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:27,959 mother the boy at age 3 and says that he 682 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,700 feels like a girl wants to wear girl 683 00:25:33,469 --> 00:25:31,200 clothes well you know it's fine you can 684 00:25:35,419 --> 00:25:33,479 wear girl clothes that's okay but you 685 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:35,429 know we're not gonna go anything beyond 686 00:25:40,129 --> 00:25:37,529 that but the child into the age of four 687 00:25:43,969 --> 00:25:40,139 continued to insist that no I'm actually 688 00:25:46,810 --> 00:25:43,979 a girl and the parent decided that the 689 00:25:50,629 --> 00:25:46,820 thing to do is to listen to your child 690 00:25:52,819 --> 00:25:50,639 and so she transitioned the child at the 691 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:52,829 age of four not with drugs but the 692 00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,570 transition in every other respect of the 693 00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:56,159 child starting at the age of four is 694 00:26:00,829 --> 00:25:59,190 living as a girl girl name being told 695 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:00,839 telling everybody at school that that 696 00:26:05,449 --> 00:26:03,089 the boy is actually a girl growing hair 697 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:05,459 long wearing girls clothes etc at the 698 00:26:17,199 --> 00:26:12,570 age of four yeah I mean that's okay so I 699 00:26:19,609 --> 00:26:17,209 think that there is there's not 700 00:26:20,629 --> 00:26:19,619 supporting your children there is so for 701 00:26:22,729 --> 00:26:20,639 me one of the things I struggled with 702 00:26:25,069 --> 00:26:22,739 was I was very feminine as a kid but I 703 00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,079 had parents who stifled that as much as 704 00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,299 they could who sometimes were a little 705 00:26:30,979 --> 00:26:29,279 mean about it honestly and that was 706 00:26:34,129 --> 00:26:30,989 soul-crushing as a kid and so I get that 707 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:34,139 side of it as well but like but man I 708 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:36,570 also struggle with the 709 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:38,220 social return this train which what you 710 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:39,810 talked about I'm such a young age 711 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,810 because I think that that can lead to a 712 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:44,640 lot of confusion as well I think I think 713 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:47,250 all this stuff is honestly just best set 714 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:49,470 for a little later in life I think once 715 00:26:55,910 --> 00:26:51,930 you hit your very late teens your early 716 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,920 20s you start to know where you're going 717 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:57,960 and what would make you happy I'd love 718 00:27:01,880 --> 00:26:59,250 to say you know your career path but you 719 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:01,890 know this kind of yeah I mean parents 720 00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:04,890 decide almost everything for a child you 721 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:06,660 know where they go to school where they 722 00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,370 live what time they go to bed what they 723 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:09,840 have for breakfast that is set by 724 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:12,600 parents but for some reason when it 725 00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,570 comes to gender it seemed that the 726 00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:17,600 community is saying no no no parents 727 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:20,460 that the child decides and if your 728 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:23,040 four-year-old tells you that he is 729 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:25,530 actually a girl that's the child's 730 00:27:29,420 --> 00:27:27,240 decision you have nothing to say about 731 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:29,430 that and you should listen to your child 732 00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:31,620 and put that put the dress on the boy 733 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,600 and give him the girl name yeah and a 734 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:34,640 lot of these parents are also 735 00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:37,380 emotionally blackmailed into doing it I 736 00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:39,000 admit there's a very famous interview 737 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,240 where there was sort of a skeptic of the 738 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:45,000 whole tranch aisle thing and there was a 739 00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:47,700 doctor speaking and the the skeptic was 740 00:27:51,410 --> 00:27:48,960 like well don't you think it's weird or 741 00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:51,420 bad for a child that young to make 742 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:52,830 permanent life decisions and the doctor 743 00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:55,170 says well they can kill themselves at 744 00:27:59,270 --> 00:27:57,840 that age and so it's like it's again 745 00:28:00,440 --> 00:27:59,280 this is black and white thinking it's 746 00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,450 like your kids either gonna kill 747 00:28:05,030 --> 00:28:02,640 themself or you have to let them you 748 00:28:06,110 --> 00:28:05,040 know live as the other gender I think 749 00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:06,120 that there's something in between 750 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:09,830 yeah and then when you go to treatment I 751 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:12,900 mean first of all I would think if your 752 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:14,550 child is exhibiting that you would want 753 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,500 to take them to a psychologist 754 00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,480 psychiatrist and see if they get 755 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:20,640 actually diagnosed with gender dysphoria 756 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:24,210 now that's now becoming more loaded also 757 00:28:29,660 --> 00:28:26,130 though because you know there's this 758 00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:29,670 gender affirming care that is used which 759 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:31,140 I think is a bit of a misnomer because 760 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:33,330 gender affirming care means of affirming 761 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:34,650 the gender that's in the person's head 762 00:28:38,180 --> 00:28:36,330 as opposed to their biological gender 763 00:28:41,270 --> 00:28:38,190 but that's what it's referring to but it 764 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,280 seems like if if parents take their 765 00:28:47,870 --> 00:28:43,380 their four or five year old to a 766 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:47,880 therapist these days that I'm concerned 767 00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:49,170 the therapist would would tell the 768 00:28:52,009 --> 00:28:49,980 parent that 769 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:52,019 you've got a transgender kid and the 770 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:53,610 sooner you accept that and put the truss 771 00:28:58,970 --> 00:28:56,130 on the kid the better oh my god it's um 772 00:29:00,560 --> 00:28:58,980 it's kind of activists putting their 773 00:29:04,690 --> 00:29:00,570 hands in everything so when it comes to 774 00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:04,700 going to a therapist there's really no 775 00:29:09,889 --> 00:29:06,990 guarantee what kind of therapist you're 776 00:29:12,049 --> 00:29:09,899 gonna get you can get the kind you like 777 00:29:13,879 --> 00:29:12,059 at the drop of a hat is gonna be like 778 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:13,889 yes it's part right just child's trans 779 00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:14,850 and nothing about it 780 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:16,380 and you can also get the kind that are 781 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:19,049 from the like 80s and 90s who ask 782 00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:20,610 questions that are super outdated which 783 00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,289 was my case honestly I went to someone 784 00:29:26,659 --> 00:29:24,059 who was asking you the most ridiculous 785 00:29:28,820 --> 00:29:26,669 questions like um I don't know they're 786 00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:28,830 just like very old school do you have 787 00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:30,510 generated any sort or type of questions 788 00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:31,769 which I was kind of like I figured 789 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:33,480 thought since I was 13 790 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:39,090 but yeah so there's no uniform sort of 791 00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:40,590 therapy for trans people either which is 792 00:29:46,580 --> 00:29:44,549 like so frustrating yeah I mean one 793 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:46,590 thought that I have is that the drugs 794 00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:50,090 and the surgery are the more drastic 795 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:53,700 treatment for it if there is a way to 796 00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,130 have it be treated through counselling 797 00:30:01,159 --> 00:29:58,559 that would be preferred if there's a way 798 00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:01,169 we don't really know if there's a way or 799 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:05,279 not but to to to hopefully avoid drugs 800 00:30:08,419 --> 00:30:06,450 and surgery seems like that would be a 801 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,429 preferential treatment if it was 802 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:10,980 possible well I know that there is no 803 00:30:17,509 --> 00:30:14,460 form of therapy that can get reference 804 00:30:19,639 --> 00:30:17,519 for gender dysphoria but I think that as 805 00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:19,649 a child I think my thought would be 806 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:21,260 let's go to a therapist who can maybe 807 00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,960 help you handle waiting if this is what 808 00:30:28,340 --> 00:30:26,580 you really think needs to happen which 809 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:28,350 is drugs and surgery when you're older 810 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:29,970 let's go to someone who can kind of help 811 00:30:33,620 --> 00:30:32,010 you wait it out a little bit and be a 812 00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:33,630 little more secure in yourself to where 813 00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,190 you can you can realize in yourself 814 00:30:39,259 --> 00:30:37,440 listen I can do all that when I'm a 815 00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,269 little older but I can also be 816 00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:41,159 comfortable with who I am now well you 817 00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,899 should please listen to the episode that 818 00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:44,700 I did with this guy David pickup who is 819 00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:48,299 a reparative a reparative therapist now 820 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:49,769 these are the guys that are called the 821 00:30:54,139 --> 00:30:51,990 conversion therapy people which gets a 822 00:30:56,779 --> 00:30:54,149 lot of attention and you know the term 823 00:30:59,299 --> 00:30:56,789 conversion therapy it's it applies 824 00:31:01,789 --> 00:30:59,309 mostly to gay but it can also apply to 825 00:31:02,630 --> 00:31:01,799 transgender it gets labeled as something 826 00:31:05,660 --> 00:31:02,640 that 827 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:05,670 you know pray away the gay shame based 828 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:09,120 therapy homosexuality is bad and 829 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:11,730 according to him that is not what it's 830 00:31:13,940 --> 00:31:11,970 about 831 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:13,950 at all that basically that would be 832 00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,220 unethical treatment so to to have a 833 00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:19,440 therapist shaming with someone in 834 00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:20,670 therapy you'd be dead already is 835 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:22,800 unethical in illegal so these ideas that 836 00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:24,270 they need to ban something are kind of 837 00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:25,980 absurd he says that this is the 838 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:28,560 activists pulling out making up things 839 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:31,650 up or or picking somebody you know in in 840 00:31:35,450 --> 00:31:33,570 Mississippi who may be doing that but 841 00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:35,460 that is not what reparative therapy is 842 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:38,060 and what reparative therapy is is 843 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:41,810 finding these childhood traumas that 844 00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:46,290 once resolved ends up helping this 845 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:48,660 person resolve mostly gay feelings is 846 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:51,530 mostly what they they deal with but he 847 00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:54,930 finds in in almost all cases that there 848 00:32:00,740 --> 00:31:57,150 is childhood trauma in in for a for a 849 00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:00,750 boy who ends up becoming gay it's more 850 00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:02,820 often than not associated with the 851 00:32:08,060 --> 00:32:05,040 father that there's a lack of a bonding 852 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:08,070 that happened between the child and the 853 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:09,630 father so you either had an absentee 854 00:32:15,020 --> 00:32:13,080 father an abusive father some lack of 855 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:15,030 connection between the boy and the 856 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:17,490 father and so the lack of that male 857 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:20,610 closeness a male bonding then through 858 00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:23,310 puberty ends up turning into more of a 859 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:26,460 sexual desire for for men but because 860 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:27,930 they didn't have that close bonding as a 861 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:31,320 as a child so by working through that 862 00:32:36,770 --> 00:32:32,910 childhood and so on which is a very 863 00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:36,780 common psychological therapy principal 864 00:32:39,740 --> 00:32:38,340 working through childhood traumas reason 865 00:32:41,620 --> 00:32:39,750 is whether you're talking about 866 00:32:44,140 --> 00:32:41,630 alcoholism or all kinds of disorders 867 00:32:46,610 --> 00:32:44,150 usually they are rooted in childhood 868 00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,620 what these guys are saying is they think 869 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:48,240 homosexuality is rooted in childhood 870 00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:50,370 also have you studied this much do you 871 00:32:55,610 --> 00:32:52,020 have an opinion on anything I just had 872 00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:55,620 to say um I honestly have not really 873 00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,840 looked into it I myself have a negative 874 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:00,240 view of it just because I think like 875 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:05,100 being gay but there has to be a cause 876 00:33:10,910 --> 00:33:07,830 for gay right right and so maybe maybe 877 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:10,920 or now yeah I mean most scientists seem 878 00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:12,570 to you know there are the twin studies 879 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:14,550 right and when you look at identical 880 00:33:19,849 --> 00:33:15,809 twins whether it be 881 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:19,859 or gay when one twin is trans or gay 882 00:33:25,399 --> 00:33:22,529 more often not the other one is not so 883 00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:25,409 from at least a DNA standpoint yeah we 884 00:33:30,709 --> 00:33:27,299 know that it's not in your DNA yeah it's 885 00:33:31,820 --> 00:33:30,719 not unit right yeah I mean honestly I'm 886 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:31,830 not the kind of person to write 887 00:33:34,369 --> 00:33:33,090 something off without researching it so 888 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:34,379 I have to say I haven't researched 889 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:37,529 reparative therapy I know that when it 890 00:33:40,849 --> 00:33:39,210 comes to being trans I think you're 891 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:40,859 saying that's more so for gay I think 892 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:42,330 when it comes to being trans I think 893 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:45,690 that um I don't know I just don't 894 00:33:48,469 --> 00:33:46,830 believe there's any amount of like 895 00:33:50,779 --> 00:33:48,479 talking through it that could have made 896 00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:50,789 me not trans to be honest yeah well I 897 00:33:54,619 --> 00:33:52,919 think it's a matter of you know what 898 00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:54,629 exactly would be the therapy what is 899 00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,849 your unique situation at what age does 900 00:33:59,659 --> 00:33:58,679 it take place in because if it's true 901 00:34:02,089 --> 00:33:59,669 that there is something to do with 902 00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:02,099 childhood then the sooner the child is 903 00:34:07,099 --> 00:34:04,830 is being counseled with regarding the 904 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,109 stuff the better because the longer it 905 00:34:11,779 --> 00:34:09,599 goes the harder it is to deal with it's 906 00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:11,789 out there drama so yeah I I just I 907 00:34:15,710 --> 00:34:12,929 appreciate you saying that cuz I don't 908 00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,720 like anything being shut down simply 909 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:18,119 because of political correctness or to 910 00:34:23,710 --> 00:34:20,970 avoid stigmas because bottom line is 911 00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:23,720 dysphoria needs to be treated 912 00:34:30,349 --> 00:34:27,599 maybe gender reassignment surgery is in 913 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:30,359 in is the best treatment but in some 914 00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,490 cases maybe there is another treatment 915 00:34:36,019 --> 00:34:34,919 so yeah I don't want to I don't think we 916 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:36,029 should be pushed toward just one 917 00:34:39,819 --> 00:34:38,010 treatment I guess is my thought yeah 918 00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:39,829 saying transition is the best treatment 919 00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,270 isn't saying it's perfect by any means 920 00:34:47,419 --> 00:34:44,159 I've been the first person to always say 921 00:34:48,740 --> 00:34:47,429 it's really not for everyone so yeah I 922 00:34:49,819 --> 00:34:48,750 think there was an alternative it'd be 923 00:34:52,460 --> 00:34:49,829 great mm-hmm 924 00:34:54,289 --> 00:34:52,470 so and what about for you as far as the 925 00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:54,299 type of reassignment surgery did you 926 00:35:01,700 --> 00:34:58,020 have the full bottom surgery I know no I 927 00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:01,710 did my face and I did my brass and I 928 00:35:06,260 --> 00:35:04,230 think that that one is something that I 929 00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,270 think would be a little later in life I 930 00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,099 think honestly surgery was so 931 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:10,440 traumatizing but I'm taking a break I'm 932 00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,970 enjoying my life I'm enjoying my career 933 00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:13,950 I think that's something to me when I'm 934 00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,750 30 935 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:17,520 well good let's talk about that a little 936 00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,220 bit because Sabrina in her interview she 937 00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,079 basically had an orchiectomy which I 938 00:35:25,309 --> 00:35:23,760 assume you know what that is I didn't 939 00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:25,319 know what it was before but welcome to 940 00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:28,680 my transgender show it orchiectomy where 941 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:29,720 were your 942 00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:32,090 testicles removed but not the penis and 943 00:35:39,310 --> 00:35:36,140 she was really strongly cautioning trans 944 00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:39,320 sisters about having the full surgery 945 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,849 just based on people that she knows that 946 00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:42,800 have had it that she feels that 947 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:45,380 oftentimes they rush into it thinking 948 00:35:51,550 --> 00:35:48,740 it's the be-all end-all solution and 949 00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:51,560 also frankly that with most if not all 950 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:53,180 insurance policies now I think it's 951 00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:56,090 covered and so she's concerned that when 952 00:36:01,120 --> 00:35:57,560 something is free people tend to like 953 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:01,130 things that are free and that she's 954 00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:02,990 really cautioning that hey you know 955 00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:05,140 they're getting it for the wrong reason 956 00:36:10,810 --> 00:36:08,840 yeah um the surgery itself as far as 957 00:36:13,089 --> 00:36:10,820 general reconstruction is far from 958 00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:13,099 perfect honestly it is not a level where 959 00:36:18,070 --> 00:36:15,109 it's kind of amazing what can be done 960 00:36:19,570 --> 00:36:18,080 but it's far from perfect I know people 961 00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:19,580 who have had complications with it as 962 00:36:26,109 --> 00:36:22,310 well myself I absolutely thank you so 963 00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:26,119 much I absolutely would not and will not 964 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:29,300 rushed into it I know people who have 965 00:36:32,530 --> 00:36:30,890 and then gone to maybe not the best 966 00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:32,540 surgeon because there is a tier of 967 00:36:36,339 --> 00:36:34,280 surgeons as well there are people who 968 00:36:39,579 --> 00:36:36,349 can do it really really well and then 969 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:39,589 people who can just kind of not do it 970 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:42,170 that well I know personally someone who 971 00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:45,290 has a really really really perfect one 972 00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,020 that might need some work well yeah I 973 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:50,720 mean I it's probably not uncommon that 974 00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:53,690 you have to go back and back again and 975 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,020 back again because it's it's a it's not 976 00:37:03,040 --> 00:36:59,570 a straightforward surgery by any stretch 977 00:37:04,329 --> 00:37:03,050 no in the recovery is pretty much the 978 00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:04,339 most intensive any surgery you can 979 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,859 imagine to be honest I mean it's 980 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:08,240 definitely something for me that needs 981 00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,710 to come a little later in life I mean 982 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:12,320 honestly getting my face in my breasts 983 00:37:19,060 --> 00:37:16,460 on was a nightmare it was horrifying so 984 00:37:20,349 --> 00:37:19,070 I can only imagine so let's let's kick 985 00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:20,359 through some more of your controversial 986 00:37:24,670 --> 00:37:22,820 positions we've had a couple of gender 987 00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:24,680 binary you they talk about whether or 988 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:26,990 not there's well I don't know what what 989 00:37:30,609 --> 00:37:28,730 is the official position of the trans 990 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:30,619 community what would they like to say 991 00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:34,640 about gender um I think the current 992 00:37:39,099 --> 00:37:37,060 consensus in the trans community is that 993 00:37:41,309 --> 00:37:39,109 there are a lot of things that fall 994 00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:41,319 under the trans umbrella which 995 00:37:46,539 --> 00:37:44,049 things like non-binary you know 996 00:37:48,279 --> 00:37:46,549 alternative genders things that are 997 00:37:51,309 --> 00:37:48,289 outside the realm of male and female or 998 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:51,319 made a woman which I've never been a 999 00:37:56,799 --> 00:37:54,200 super fan of I think that there are two 1000 00:37:58,359 --> 00:37:56,809 and and anything else is sort of it's 1001 00:37:59,950 --> 00:37:58,369 either personality or style or 1002 00:38:01,839 --> 00:37:59,960 characteristics and not necessarily 1003 00:38:04,059 --> 00:38:01,849 being another gender 1004 00:38:06,099 --> 00:38:04,069 yeah I'd never been a fan of the whole 1005 00:38:08,259 --> 00:38:06,109 yeah I went back in gosh I wish I had in 1006 00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:08,269 front of me because I was like people 1007 00:38:14,319 --> 00:38:10,670 now say well there's biological sex and 1008 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:14,329 then there's gender and I never knew 1009 00:38:19,450 --> 00:38:16,430 that there was a difference between the 1010 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:19,460 two but it almost seen it so I went back 1011 00:38:23,259 --> 00:38:21,170 and look at an old dictionary to see cuz 1012 00:38:26,799 --> 00:38:23,269 I'm thinking how did this for gender get 1013 00:38:28,329 --> 00:38:26,809 changed in some way because now the 1014 00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:28,339 belief is well gender is how you 1015 00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:30,710 identify yourself there's biological sex 1016 00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:32,240 and there's gender at all eyes I just so 1017 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:35,599 you're born with your gender so anyway I 1018 00:38:39,099 --> 00:38:37,970 went back in a old dictionary and it 1019 00:38:40,509 --> 00:38:39,109 didn't say anything about you know 1020 00:38:41,799 --> 00:38:40,519 characteristics or this of that the 1021 00:38:43,180 --> 00:38:41,809 gender was kind of just buying her as 1022 00:38:44,410 --> 00:38:43,190 either gender means is either this or 1023 00:38:46,059 --> 00:38:44,420 it's that that's what gender really 1024 00:38:47,529 --> 00:38:46,069 means it's either this or that that so 1025 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:47,539 seems like the community's kind of 1026 00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:50,240 co-opted this term to say that well no 1027 00:38:52,660 --> 00:38:51,230 there's two different things there's 1028 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:52,670 biological sex and then there's your 1029 00:38:58,420 --> 00:38:55,700 gender well there's been an academic 1030 00:39:01,539 --> 00:38:58,430 change of the word I know even when I 1031 00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:01,549 was in college you know sociology 1032 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:03,680 classes and stuff they they make a clear 1033 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:06,970 distinction between the two I personally 1034 00:39:11,049 --> 00:39:09,170 totally see that big of a difference I 1035 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:11,059 think a lot of times what people talk 1036 00:39:14,829 --> 00:39:12,230 about when they talk about something 1037 00:39:16,710 --> 00:39:14,839 being of a different gender or whatever 1038 00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:16,720 it's like you're talking about a 1039 00:39:20,769 --> 00:39:18,740 characteristic or a personality whereas 1040 00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,779 I don't feel that being a woman is a 1041 00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:22,400 characteristic I don't feel beat being 1042 00:39:27,370 --> 00:39:24,049 male is a characteristic I think it's 1043 00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:27,380 just what you are and I think everything 1044 00:39:31,089 --> 00:39:29,720 else you know is masculine or your 1045 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:31,099 femininity which of course exists on a 1046 00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,380 spectrum for everyone 1047 00:39:36,759 --> 00:39:34,880 Sabrina kind of resolved it as far as 1048 00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:36,769 she says that I'm not a woman I'm a 1049 00:39:40,269 --> 00:39:38,869 trans woman and in that and I'm gonna 1050 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,279 get your thoughts on that in a second 1051 00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:42,200 but that does seem to resolve it for me 1052 00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:44,359 that we can all understand that you were 1053 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:47,599 born a female but you are a transgender 1054 00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:54,110 woman now and that's it and so but 1055 00:39:58,930 --> 00:39:56,030 in the community don't want to be 1056 00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:58,940 referred to as a trans gender woman they 1057 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:01,160 want to be just a woman so do you feel 1058 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:03,380 strongly about that issue yeah I say the 1059 00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:06,950 same sometimes because there just is a 1060 00:40:11,650 --> 00:40:08,120 difference between your trans woman and 1061 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:11,660 a woman I think you know but that's not 1062 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:12,890 to say that a trans woman the same as a 1063 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:15,050 man because I can't relate to the 1064 00:40:20,050 --> 00:40:18,050 experience of being a man either but you 1065 00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:20,060 know I have a lot of female friends who 1066 00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:21,680 sometimes they talk about things I just 1067 00:40:26,020 --> 00:40:22,790 can't relate to you whether it be 1068 00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:26,030 periods whether it be you know being a 1069 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:27,950 woman or being a girl as a teenager or 1070 00:40:31,180 --> 00:40:29,480 as a child I didn't have that childhood 1071 00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:31,190 I didn't have that life so my son of 1072 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:34,400 experience is different so yeah I don't 1073 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:36,530 have a problem differentiating because 1074 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:38,090 because the reality is when I'm in a 1075 00:40:41,860 --> 00:40:40,430 room with women it is something 1076 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:41,870 different it is something different 1077 00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,970 Society will treat me the same which is